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Joined on January 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: hiiiiiiiii Karen!
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Me: Hello everyone from State College, PA
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Moderator (Session Leader): hi Davi
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Moderator (Session Leader 1): hi!!!
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: helloooo
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Oh, hi, Davi! Glad to see you againg too!
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Me: it's nice to be here again!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Tommy... are you sleeping?
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: you know what? At the beginning I thought it was a live session with video and that we were going to watch each other so... I was wondering: how are we gonna see eachother in such a small screen? hahaha!
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Moderator (Session Leader): he's making coffee
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: and... what am I gonna wear? Im in my pajama noW! hahaha lol
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Moderator (Session Leader): lol
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Thankfully, no video -- I'm still in my pjs!
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Moderator (Session Leader): if your computer has a video cam- then you can project it so we can see you
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Moderator (Session Leader 1): a slightly bigger screen would help a little, wouldn't it
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Me: who's moderator, moderator 1, and moderator 2? it doesn't show me your names...
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: hi every one
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Moderator (Session Leader): hi benjamin
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Hi BEN!
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Moderator (Session Leader 1): hi benjamin
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes, can I start?
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Moderator (Session Leader): no sound, Ben
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Moderator (Session Leader): still no sound
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: no... two minuts left! I think we should wait... shouldn't we?
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Kyung-Hee, nice to meet you -- from Korea? Still there now?
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: you're LeAER 1
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Enric
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Enric, you are session leader 1
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): no, i can't hear ben
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Moderator (Session Leader 1): thanks!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: no, ben has no audio yet
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: No Ben, we can't hear u
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): ben, can you use skype?
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Im in skype too, if that can help...
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Moderator (Session Leader): hi
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Moderator (Session Leader): i was booted out
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Moderator (Session Leader): glad to be back
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Session Leader is Aiden?
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Moderator (Session Leader): Yes, Elisenda
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Who is session leader 2?
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): ana
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Moderator (Session Leader): Ana
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Hello Ana!
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): Hey Karen!
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: ok, now everything is clear for me
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): sure, I will start )
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: hi, yes
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Me: it's good
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yes
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: And in Kelowna!
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): don't be nervous! )
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: It's different, but we get used to it!
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: don't worry Enric! It's ok! You're a catalan crack! haha! and we'll be patient and nice audience
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: I'm here!
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): and I am sorry if I mispronounced your name )
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: ForĂaaa Enric!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: morning, tommy!
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Moderator (Session Leader): yes Ben
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Moderator (Session Leader): no sound
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Enric -- is it [EnRICK] or [EnReek]?
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): hi!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Tommy sounds tired!
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: ENRICK
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: haha
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Moderator (Session Leader): hi Davi
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): I am from "oakland"
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: it's a pity the software doesn't automatically 'take your hand down' after you use the mic
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thought so!
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): oh, thanks!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thank you!
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Moderator (Session Leader): turn the level up- move the mic level to the right
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Moderator (Session Leader 1): it's the the ffar end to the right!
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jdonaldson [John]: Hi - This is John, with the TESOL staff in Alexandria, Virginia...My headset mic is not working right now! I just listen in. Thanks for the opportunity.
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): hi john!
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I think you heard me before... I'm not sure now, but anyway, here I am
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Beautiful family!
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: yay family!
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): enric, are you that tall )
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: hahaha
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Moderator (Session Leader): too bad
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: awww....
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Moderator (Session Leader): oh no
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: oof
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: ohhhhh....
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: thanks for coming!
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Moderator (Session Leader): so you're babysitting
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Moderator (Session Leader): ok
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: we will understand!
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Moderator (Session Leader): we'll understand
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: no pblm
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Moderator (Session Leader): right
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: At laaassst I CAN hear you
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yeah, Ben!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: We start out with such idealism on this journey!
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes, yes and i agree!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: but 1985 when Paikeday challenged the linguists and lexicographers that the NAtive Speaker is Dead!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: wasn't taken as seriously as it could have been
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Moderator (Session Leader): denial syndrome, perhaps?
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: so true, Aiden
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): interesting.. I thought the classification was based on linguistic features (accent) ?
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: hee, hee: it says "butt"
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: you are so tired, tommy
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: exactly, Enric!
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Me: this is a very difficult cycle to break indeed
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: TOTALLY! -- We are hamstrung!
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I'm ok.
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Maro0n [Elisenda]:
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: We can also put our hand up if we have a comment, guys
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: we can always 'raise' our hands if we want to intrrupt
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Moderator (Session Leader): [Aiden] just raise your hand if you have a question
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Moderator (Session Leader): right guys
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Me: I would agree
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: theothering
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: but have *we* claimed NNEST?
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: reconceptualize it
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: after the fact, you mean
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: you don't have a vote?
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Apart from our own natural spice of local discrimantion (we refer to as idiiosyncrasy)
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: it is the NS who should be seen as disadvantaged!
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: none?
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Tommy -- aren't you doing research in that area?
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yea
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: yes
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: I am
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: So is Kara MacDonald, in Korea
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: oks
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Me: this is similar to the Brazilian context as well
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Yes, maybe yes... But I mean we're already hire in state schools, that's what I menat
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: meant
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I agree it is still an issue
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Me: Absolutely!!!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: nobody compliments me on my English
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yea, it's but I meant that we're not suffering in state schools, at least, all these discriminations most of you were sharing in the forum. Not so serious problems, here.
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Moderator (Session Leader): [Aiden] yes
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yes -- research in insecurities, identity, etc.
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Though in some English speaking countries students pay attention to other personal traits of a NNS teacher
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Moderator (Session Leader): [Aiden] such discrimination happens less in countries that belong to the inner circle
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly -- self- perception, self- confidence
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Me: I agree
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: what do you mean by the INNER CIRCLE? sorry
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: that's a good point
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Inner circle is the places where English is the norm
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: aaaaa
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Me: great point, Ana
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: vs, outercircle where English is an Additional language
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I totally agree wit you, AnA
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: the perceived advantages are still the perceived advantages?
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: a NNSt can support their students with being qualified and being professional
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: wow... very interesting!
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Me: true
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Me: it got us started
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I totally disagree with that NEST are the best because I had two who were a disaster... I've to tell you.
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: that's why they also appreciate a good NNEST
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I did as student
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: even if students do come in with that prejudice... they make their real judgements based on their experience in the classroom -- if they are learning.... the NS ideal goes to the background
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: conversely, they would often get disillusioned with NS who weren't great teachers
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: many of my students don't know I'm an NNEST
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Moderator (Session Leader): you don't look like one, Tom, that's why
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: because I fall between the cracks
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: ouch!
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Moderator (Session Leader): right...
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: But remember that some NSs hired as teachers also perform some terrible job giving classes due to lack of Teaching and Educational training
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Moderator (Session Leader):
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: but often it doesn't matter
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: unfortunately
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Moderator (Session Leader): so true
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: another interviewee shared that a supportive administration is key to the success of a NNEST
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Moderator (Session Leader): yes tommy
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Me: can't hear you, Tommy
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: press the mike button, Tommy!
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Moderator (Session Leader): more coffee, Tommy!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: lol
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I really look like a catalan... haha! Nor a native... haha! -apart from my pronunciation... :-P -
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: good point, Tommy
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Moderator (Session Leader): it's hard to multi-task
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: nope, it was just a good comment
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Moderator (Session Leader 1): mike?
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Me: unclick the mic!
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Me:
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Moderator (Session Leader): tommy, you've got the mic
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: more coffee, tommy
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: we have a Volunteer National Program and the number of applicants is decreasing since 2004 for some previous volunteers stated they needed a stronger Teaching and Educational Training to be a real help for Chilean students
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Moderator (Session Leader): lol
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: oops--my bad
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Me:
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: broken mouse
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: keeps double-clicking
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Moderator (Session Leader 1): english with an accent, lippi-green
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Me: I have a copy right here
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Moderator (Session Leader): right Ben- it only happens when they realize that training is improtant
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: uuugggh
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Me: it really is - we need a different way of thinking (more inclusive)
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Moderator (Session Leader): it's happening here
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly, this group can lead the way in the discourse in diversity
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Me: yes
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Moderator (Session Leader): that's ok
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: it's as if students are the only oness who know the truth
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: NNESTs, admins, and parents are still unaware
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly, tommy
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Me: Agree, but without discarding NSs
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Moderator (Session Leader): i agree
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thanks, Davi
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Moderator (Session Leader): lol
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Me:
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: English is owned by everyone who uses it!
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Me: Karen, people like you are ALLIES and always PIVOTAL in implementing change. Thanks for your support!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: just call me Horton
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yes, so, communication. That's what I want from my students and perfection will come later
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Moderator (Session Leader): lol Karen
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: lol
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Moderator (Session Leader): yes, and be understood
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: so, communication!
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Moderator (Session Leader): Alabama
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Who wants to speak like YODA (Star Wars Jedi)?
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: I dooooooo
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: speak like yoda, I wish to
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Me: lol
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I did theatre once and I was C3PO
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Maro0n [Elisenda]:
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: Yoda's patterns were based on NE Asian ones
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Cool Elisenda
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yeah? Didnt know that! funnt
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: you guys are so off track
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: hahaha
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: sorry
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Moderator (Session Leader): http://nnest-evo-network.pbwiki.com/New_Research_Directions
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Moderator (Session Leader): tommy, finish your thesis!
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Moderator (Session Leader): Karen, yours too!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]:
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Moderator (Session Leader): mine too
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I quoted that quote in a paper just recently -- p. 333
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tommynomad [undisclosed]:
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Moderator (Session Leader): quantitative
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Go Kvale!
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: please let's not--as Enric wrote--get into qual/quan
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: they're equally valuable at all stages
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Me: Excellent point
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: regarding narratives and how they shape the NNEST identity: Carroll, S., Motha, S., & Price, J. (2008). Accessing Imagined communities and reinscribing regimes of truth. Critical Inquiry in Language Studies , 5 (3), 165-191.
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Me: thanks Karen!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: np
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I've got two more when you want em
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: thx!
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racebis [undisclosed]: Hi all. It is Horacio.
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): hi horacio!
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racebis [undisclosed]: Sorry I am late
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): but you made it )
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Hi Horacio
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Sorry I leave for a second... coming... see u
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Moderator (Session Leader): please define 'objectivism'
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: so... intersubjectivity?
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Moderator (Session Leader): be objective?
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Moderator (Session Leader): objectivity
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: be self-reflective -- be aware of what we bring as the interviewer --
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Moderator (Session Leader): ok
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: np
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racebis [undisclosed]: Hola Benjamin
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: what you're saying is: don't interview/sample shoddily
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Moderator (Session Leader): that's part of my thesis methodology
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: excellent -- Aiden I can't wait to see
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Moderator (Session Leader): http://nnest-evo-network.pbwiki.com/New_Research_Directions
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Moderator (Session Leader): Karen, in 2010
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: what's part of your methodology, Aiden?
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: interviewer self-awareness?
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Moderator (Session Leader): ..will discuss later
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Kvale
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: subsets of NNEST -- another area I have looked at
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: in practice, NNESTs relate on one level -- and can join their voices... but there is SUCH diversity that the group should not be stereotyped
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Moderator (Session Leader): I think there will always be 'subsets'
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: find strength in our commonalities, celebrate our differences
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: amen, tommy
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Moderator (Session Leader): right
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Me: there will always be specific contexts
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: I would say many of my local colleagues don't know about NNESts as I was before entering into this Session and some of them are not still concerned with NNESts matters in Chile
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly -- we have seen even how discrimination varies according to the context
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: case in point
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: translinguistic teachers need to rise up and take their rightful place as leaders in the field
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Moderator (Session Leader): Kaz is looking into that issue
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): for karen: yes, good point!
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: me, too!
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Moderator (Session Leader): it's a big issue here, it's true here in Taiwan
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: (about the study, not the empowerment)
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: wow, Enric, good point -- we still give it so much weight
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Moderator (Session Leader): right
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: yes
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: In my personal view, we need more information about NNESTs IS and research in Latin America cause we are mostly in the dark
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: cool... Enric.
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): I agree
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: same in east asia, benjamin
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: where are the Matsudas when you need em? -- re: collaboration
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: hahaha
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: like I said... RISE UP, guys!!!!!
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: you refer to our local ESL/EFL feeling of confidence and view about NSTs and NNSETs
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Moderator (Session Leader): right
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Me: actual teaching, I agree
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jdonaldson [John]: Related to context...Quality of the system in which the individual teacher teaches...whether there is alignment of all the key factors that make up a successful vs. a disfunctional system...An aware NNEST working in a supportive environment vs. one where administrators and others lack understanding of key issues...
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: yes: many of us in ESL/EFL come from other education professional areas
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: in training -- we need more exposure to this kind of discourse and English proficiency training for BOTH NS and NNESTS equally
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Me: thank you, Enric!!
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): BEST! love it!
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: thank you very much indeed
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: BEST!
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Moderator (Session Leader): BEST
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jdonaldson [John]: Good job multi-tasking Enric...Thank you for the program.
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: good point
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: tyvm, enric!
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thank you!
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Sorry, Im here again... Some domestical problems...
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jdonaldson [John]: I've got to run. Thanks again Enric.
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): bye jonh
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: oohhh... Tommy's awake now!
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: bye john
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: very important distinction!
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Moderator (Session Leader): SCROLL The text chat
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Moderator (Session Leader): right
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Moderator (Session Leader): That alligns with what Terry said in the YG
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: hmmm... the process itself is worth studying... I wonder if there are defined stages of empowerment
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes!
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Moderator (Session Leader): go ahead
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Moderator (Session Leader): about the nNEST label
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racebis [undisclosed]: scroll the text chat. Where to scroll
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: what is your personal opinion on the NNEST label?
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): your personal opinion on the label
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: do you think the label will/should change?
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: or just be reconceptualized?
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: YEAH!!!!
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: that's one hell of an acronym!
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Moderator (Session Leader): L2 user
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: hahahaha
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Moderator (Session Leader): language evolves
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: amen!
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: but that does speak to our feelings of devaluation within the learner ID
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Moderator (Session Leader): agree
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thanks, Enric
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: ty
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Moderator (Session Leader): lol
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Me: lol
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: oh, noes!
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Moderator (Session Leader): in Denver
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Moderator (Session Leader): bye
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Me: thanks Karen! bye
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: see you in email!
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racebis [undisclosed]: Thank you so much
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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yes! see you!
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Moderator (Session Leader): http://nnest-evo-network.pbwiki.com/New_Research_Directions
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Moderator (Session Leader): Ana
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Me: thanks everyone
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Moderator (Session Leader): anyone else?
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes?
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): Aiden, do you want to wrap up?
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: thanks to you
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: Ana! You too!
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racebis [undisclosed]: There are three leaders. Ana, Aiden and who else?
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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Enric, tnahks again and bye to every one
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Enric
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Moderator (Session Leader): right
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: Enric is the 3rd
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Moderator (Session Leader): http://nnest-evo-network.pbwiki.com/New_Research_Directions
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Me: yes, see you all in Denver for sure
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racebis [undisclosed]: Thenk you to all
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racebis [undisclosed]: Thank you to all
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: I'm on it!
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: so do I
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): I will definitely use in my blog!
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I'll be ready to read your researches!
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: late 2010
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: you and me both, sister!
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Moderator (Session Leader): right, bro
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Moderator (Session Leader 1): look forward to reading your disssertations!
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racebis [undisclosed]: I have to go, so, see you later
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): bye
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tommynomad [undisclosed]: bye everyone!
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Moderator (Session Leader 1): Bye!
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Moderator (Session Leader): bye!
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Me: bye
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Moderator (Session Leader 2): bye
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: bye, thanls
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Maro0n [Elisenda]: thanks