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Week2-Live-Session

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Enric Llurda's Presentation

 

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Joined on January 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: hiiiiiiiii Karen!  

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Me: Hello everyone from State College, PA

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Moderator (Session Leader): hi Davi

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): hi!!!

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: helloooo

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Oh, hi, Davi! Glad to see you againg too!

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Me: it's nice to be here again!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Tommy... are you sleeping?

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: you know what? At the beginning I thought it was a live session with video and that we were going to watch each other so... I was wondering: how are we gonna see eachother in such a small screen? hahaha!

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Moderator (Session Leader): he's making coffee

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: and... what am I gonna wear? Im in my pajama noW! hahaha lol

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Thankfully, no video -- I'm still in my pjs!

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Moderator (Session Leader): if your computer has a video cam- then you can project it so we can see you

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): a slightly bigger screen would help a little, wouldn't it  

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Me: who's moderator, moderator 1, and moderator 2? it doesn't show me your names...

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: hi every one

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Moderator (Session Leader): hi benjamin

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Hi BEN!

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): hi benjamin

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes, can I start?

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Moderator (Session Leader): no sound, Ben

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Moderator (Session Leader): still no sound

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: no... two minuts left! I think we should wait... shouldn't we?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Kyung-Hee, nice to meet you -- from Korea? Still there now?

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: you're LeAER 1

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Enric

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Enric, you are session leader 1

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): no, i can't hear ben

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): thanks!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: no, ben has no audio yet

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: No Ben, we can't hear u

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): ben, can you use skype?

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Im in skype too, if that can help...

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Moderator (Session Leader): hi

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Moderator (Session Leader): i was booted out

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Moderator (Session Leader): glad to be back

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Session Leader is Aiden?

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Moderator (Session Leader): Yes, Elisenda

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Who is session leader 2?

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): ana

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Moderator (Session Leader): Ana

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Hello Ana!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): Hey Karen!

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: ok, now everything is clear for me

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): sure, I will start   )

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: hi, yes

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Me: it's good

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yes

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: And in Kelowna!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): don't be nervous!    )

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: It's different, but we get used to it!

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: don't worry Enric! It's ok! You're a catalan crack! haha!    and we'll be patient and nice audience  

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: I'm here!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): and I am sorry if I mispronounced your name   )

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: ForÁaaa Enric!  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: morning, tommy!

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Moderator (Session Leader): yes Ben

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Moderator (Session Leader): no sound

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Enric -- is it [EnRICK] or [EnReek]?

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): hi!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Tommy sounds tired!

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: ENRICK

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: haha

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Moderator (Session Leader): hi Davi

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): I am from "oakland"

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: it's a pity the software doesn't automatically 'take your hand down' after you use the mic

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thought so!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): oh, thanks!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thank you!

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Moderator (Session Leader): turn the level up- move the mic level to the right

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): it's the the ffar end to the right!

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jdonaldson [John]: Hi - This is John, with the TESOL staff in Alexandria, Virginia...My headset mic is not working right now!  I just listen in.  Thanks for the opportunity.

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): hi john!

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I think you heard me before... I'm not sure now, but anyway, here I am

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Beautiful family!

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: yay family!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): enric, are you that tall   )

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: hahaha

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Moderator (Session Leader): too bad

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: awww....

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Moderator (Session Leader): oh no

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: oof

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: ohhhhh....

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: thanks for coming!

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Moderator (Session Leader): so you're babysitting  

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Moderator (Session Leader): ok

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: we will understand!

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Moderator (Session Leader): we'll understand

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: no pblm

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: At laaassst  I CAN hear you

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yeah, Ben!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: We start out with such idealism on this journey!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes, yes and i agree!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: but 1985 when Paikeday challenged the linguists and lexicographers that the NAtive Speaker is Dead!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: wasn't taken as seriously as it could have been

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Moderator (Session Leader): denial syndrome, perhaps?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: so true, Aiden

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): interesting.. I thought the classification was based on linguistic features (accent) ?

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: hee, hee: it says "butt"

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: you are so tired, tommy

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: exactly, Enric!

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Me: this is a very difficult cycle to break indeed

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: TOTALLY! -- We are hamstrung!

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I'm ok.

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Maro0n [Elisenda]:  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: We can also put our hand up if we have a comment, guys

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: we can always 'raise' our hands if we want to intrrupt

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Moderator (Session Leader): [Aiden] just raise your hand if you have a question

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Moderator (Session Leader): right guys

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Me: I would agree

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: theothering

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: but have *we* claimed NNEST?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: reconceptualize it

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: after the fact, you mean

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: you don't have a vote?  

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Apart from our own natural spice of local discrimantion (we refer to as idiiosyncrasy)

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: it is the NS who should be seen as disadvantaged!

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: none?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Tommy -- aren't you doing research in that area?

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yea

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: yes

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: I am

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: So is Kara MacDonald, in Korea

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: oks  

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Me: this is similar to the Brazilian context as well

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Yes, maybe yes... But I mean we're already hire in state schools, that's what I menat

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: meant

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I agree it is still an issue

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Me: Absolutely!!!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: nobody compliments me on my English

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yea, it's but I meant that we're not suffering in state schools, at least, all these discriminations most of you were sharing in the forum. Not so serious problems, here.

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Moderator (Session Leader): [Aiden] yes

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yes -- research in insecurities, identity, etc.

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Though in some English speaking countries students pay attention to other  personal traits of a NNS teacher

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Moderator (Session Leader): [Aiden] such discrimination happens less in countries that belong to the inner circle

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly -- self- perception, self- confidence

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Me: I agree

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: what do you mean by the INNER CIRCLE? sorry

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: that's a good point

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Inner circle is the places where English is the norm

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: aaaaa

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Me: great point, Ana

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: vs, outercircle where English is an Additional language

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I totally agree wit you, AnA

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: the perceived advantages are still the perceived advantages?

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: a NNSt can support their students with being qualified and being professional

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: wow... very interesting!

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Me: true

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Me: it got us started

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I totally disagree with that NEST are the best because I had two who were a disaster... I've to tell you.

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: that's why they also appreciate a good NNEST

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I did as student

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: even if students do come in with that prejudice... they make their real judgements based on their experience in the classroom -- if they are learning.... the NS ideal goes to the background

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: conversely, they would often get disillusioned with NS who weren't great teachers

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: many of my students don't know I'm an NNEST

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Moderator (Session Leader): you don't look like one, Tom, that's why  

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: because I fall between the cracks

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: ouch!

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Moderator (Session Leader): right...

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: But remember that some NSs hired as  teachers also perform some terrible job giving classes  due to lack of Teaching and Educational training

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Moderator (Session Leader):  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: but often it doesn't matter

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: unfortunately

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Moderator (Session Leader): so true

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: another interviewee shared that a supportive administration is key to the success of a NNEST

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Moderator (Session Leader): yes tommy

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Me: can't hear you, Tommy

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: press the mike button, Tommy!

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Moderator (Session Leader): more coffee, Tommy!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: lol

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I really look like a catalan... haha! Nor a native... haha! -apart from my pronunciation... :-P -

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: good point, Tommy

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Moderator (Session Leader): it's hard to multi-task

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: nope, it was just a good comment

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): mike?

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Me: unclick the mic!

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Me:  

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Moderator (Session Leader): tommy, you've got the mic

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: more coffee, tommy

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: we have a Volunteer National Program and the number of applicants is decreasing since 2004 for some previous volunteers stated they needed a stronger Teaching and Educational Training to be a real help for Chilean students

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: oops--my bad

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Me:  

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: broken mouse

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: keeps double-clicking

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): english with an accent, lippi-green

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Me: I have a copy right here

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Moderator (Session Leader): right Ben- it only happens when they realize that training is improtant

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: uuugggh

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Me: it really is - we need a different way of thinking (more inclusive)

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Moderator (Session Leader): it's happening here

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly, this group can lead the way in the discourse in diversity

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Me: yes

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Moderator (Session Leader): that's ok

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: it's as if students are the only oness who know the truth

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: NNESTs, admins, and parents are still unaware

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly, tommy

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Me: Agree, but without discarding NSs

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Moderator (Session Leader): i agree

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thanks, Davi

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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Me:  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: English is owned by everyone who uses it!

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Me: Karen, people like you are ALLIES and always PIVOTAL in implementing change. Thanks for your support!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: just call me Horton

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yes, so, communication. That's what I want from my students and perfection will come later

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol  Karen

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: lol

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Moderator (Session Leader): yes, and be understood

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: so, communication!  

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Moderator (Session Leader): Alabama

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Who wants to speak like YODA (Star Wars Jedi)?

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: I dooooooo

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: speak like yoda, I wish to

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Me: lol

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I did theatre once and I was C3PO

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Maro0n [Elisenda]:  

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: Yoda's patterns were based on NE Asian ones

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Cool Elisenda

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: yeah? Didnt know that! funnt

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: you guys are so off track

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: hahaha

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: sorry

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Moderator (Session Leader): http://nnest-evo-network.pbwiki.com/New_Research_Directions

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Moderator (Session Leader): tommy, finish your thesis!

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Moderator (Session Leader): Karen, yours too!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]:  

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Moderator (Session Leader): mine too  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I quoted that quote in a paper just recently -- p. 333

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tommynomad [undisclosed]:  

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Moderator (Session Leader): quantitative

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Go Kvale!

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: please let's not--as Enric wrote--get into qual/quan

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: they're equally valuable at all stages

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Me: Excellent point

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: regarding narratives and how they shape the NNEST identity: Carroll, S., Motha, S., & Price, J. (2008). Accessing Imagined communities and reinscribing regimes of truth. Critical Inquiry in Language Studies , 5 (3), 165-191.

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Me: thanks Karen!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: np

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I've got two more when you want em

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: thx!

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racebis [undisclosed]: Hi all. It is Horacio.

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): hi horacio!

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racebis [undisclosed]: Sorry I am late

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): but you made it   )

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Hi Horacio

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Sorry I leave for a second... coming... see u

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Moderator (Session Leader): please define 'objectivism'

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: so... intersubjectivity?

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Moderator (Session Leader): be objective?

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Moderator (Session Leader): objectivity

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: be self-reflective -- be aware of what we bring as the interviewer --

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Moderator (Session Leader): ok

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: np

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racebis [undisclosed]: Hola Benjamin

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: what you're saying is: don't interview/sample shoddily

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Moderator (Session Leader): that's part of my thesis methodology

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: excellent -- Aiden I can't wait to see

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Moderator (Session Leader): http://nnest-evo-network.pbwiki.com/New_Research_Directions

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Moderator (Session Leader): Karen, in 2010

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: what's part of your methodology, Aiden?

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: interviewer self-awareness?

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Moderator (Session Leader): ..will discuss later

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Kvale

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: subsets of NNEST -- another area I have looked at

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: in practice, NNESTs relate on one level -- and can join their voices... but there is SUCH diversity that the group should not be stereotyped

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Moderator (Session Leader): I think there will always be 'subsets'

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: find strength in our commonalities, celebrate our differences

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: amen, tommy

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Me: there will always be specific contexts

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: I would say many of my local colleagues don't know about NNESts as I was before entering into this Session and some of them are not still concerned with NNESts matters in Chile

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: exactly -- we have seen even how discrimination varies according to the context

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: case in point

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: translinguistic teachers need to rise up and take their rightful place as leaders in the field

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Moderator (Session Leader): Kaz is looking into that issue

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): for karen: yes, good point!

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: me, too!

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Moderator (Session Leader): it's a big issue here, it's true here in Taiwan

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: (about the study, not the empowerment)

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: wow, Enric, good point -- we still give it so much weight

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: yes

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: In my personal view, we need more information about NNESTs IS and research in Latin America cause we are mostly in the dark

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: cool... Enric.

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): I agree

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: same in east asia, benjamin

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: where are the Matsudas when you need em? -- re: collaboration

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: hahaha

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: like I said... RISE UP, guys!!!!!

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: you refer to our local ESL/EFL feeling of confidence and view about NSTs and NNSETs

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Me: actual teaching, I agree

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jdonaldson [John]: Related to context...Quality of the system in which the individual teacher teaches...whether there is alignment of all the key factors that make up a successful vs. a disfunctional system...An aware NNEST working in a supportive environment vs. one where administrators and others lack understanding of key issues...

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: yes: many of us in ESL/EFL come from other education professional areas

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: in training -- we need more exposure to this kind of discourse and English proficiency training for BOTH NS and NNESTS equally

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Me: thank you, Enric!!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): BEST!  love it!

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: thank you  very much indeed

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: BEST!

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Moderator (Session Leader): BEST

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jdonaldson [John]: Good job multi-tasking Enric...Thank you for the program.

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: good point

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: tyvm, enric!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thank you!

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Sorry, Im here again... Some domestical problems...

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jdonaldson [John]: I've got to run.  Thanks again Enric.

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): bye jonh

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: oohhh... Tommy's awake now!

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: bye john

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: very important distinction!

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Moderator (Session Leader): SCROLL The text chat

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Moderator (Session Leader): That alligns with what Terry said in the YG

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: hmmm... the process itself is worth studying... I wonder if there are defined stages of empowerment

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes!

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Moderator (Session Leader): go ahead

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Moderator (Session Leader): about the nNEST label

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racebis [undisclosed]: scroll the text chat. Where to scroll

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: what is your personal opinion on the NNEST label?

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): your personal opinion on the label

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: do you think the label will/should change?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: or just be reconceptualized?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: YEAH!!!!

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: that's one hell of an acronym!

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Moderator (Session Leader): L2 user

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: hahahaha

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Moderator (Session Leader): language evolves

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: amen!

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: but that does speak to our feelings of devaluation within the learner ID

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Moderator (Session Leader): agree

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: thanks, Enric

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: ty

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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Me: lol

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: oh, noes!

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Moderator (Session Leader): in Denver

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Moderator (Session Leader): bye

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Me: thanks Karen! bye

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: see you in email!

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racebis [undisclosed]: Thank you so much

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yes! see you!

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Moderator (Session Leader): http://nnest-evo-network.pbwiki.com/New_Research_Directions

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Moderator (Session Leader): Ana

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Me: thanks everyone

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Moderator (Session Leader): anyone else?

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes?

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): Aiden, do you want to wrap up?

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: thanks to you

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: Ana!  You too!

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racebis [undisclosed]: There are three leaders. Ana, Aiden and who else?

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Benjamin_trauko [Benjamin]: Enric, tnahks again and bye to every one

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: Enric

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: Enric is the 3rd

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Moderator (Session Leader): http://nnest-evo-network.pbwiki.com/New_Research_Directions

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Me: yes, see you all in Denver for sure

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racebis [undisclosed]: Thenk you to all

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racebis [undisclosed]: Thank you to all

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: I'm on it!

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: so do I

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): I will definitely use in my blog!

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: I'll be ready to read your researches!  

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: late 2010

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: you and me both, sister!

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Moderator (Session Leader): right, bro

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): look forward to reading your disssertations!

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racebis [undisclosed]: I have to go, so, see you later

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): bye

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tommynomad [undisclosed]: bye everyone!

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): Bye!

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Moderator (Session Leader): bye!

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Me: bye

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): bye

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: bye, thanls

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Maro0n [Elisenda]: thanks

 


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