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Week-4

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Week 4 [Feb 4- Feb 8]:


 

TOPIC: Discussion on Teachers' Language Proficiency

Guest Speaker:    Ahmar Mahboob

 

In this session, we will consider what it means to be ‘proficient’ in a language. We will also explore the complex relationship between language proficiency and language teaching. To start off, l invite you to consider the following questions:

 

- What is language proficiency?

- Do you think that language proficiency impacts pedagogy and ? If yes, in what ways?

- Please watch and analyze the following video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FrSkf0LZWEc .

 

For the live discussion:

                    Date:  February 6, 2009

                    Length: 1 hour

                    Time: 6 am GMT (See time conversions here, http://tinyurl.com/ahmar-live)

                    Place: Learning Times, http://tinyurl.com/y3eh

 


Powerpoint  

- Below is Ahmar Mahboob's slide presentation:

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Live Session Screenshots

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To listen/watch the recording, please click here.

 

 

Here is the text chat:

Moderator (Session Leader) to Karen.Rauser [Karen]: that's ok- you're here!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): Hey! Ahmar!!!!

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Moderator (Session Leader): HI Ana!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): Hey all!

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Moderator (Session Leader): you can release the mic Ahmar

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Hi, Ana.

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): Hi Terry!  Just came back from school... I'ts not raining...

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): It's weird to see Ahmar.. drinking?!   

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Karen.Rauser [Karen] to Session Leader, Session Leader 1, Session Leader 2: Ahmr, I'm looking at doing a study on the NNEST experience - hiring criteria in Canada...

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: an ability to use language in various situations

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Moderator (Session Leader 1) to Karen.Rauser [Karen]: that sounds great!

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Moderator (Session Leader 1) to Karen.Rauser [Karen]: i'll be happy to chat with you about it later

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helena53 [Elena]: thoroughly skilled, well practised

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: sorry, no mike today, in a crowd...

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): Use of language with accuracy, intelligebility, efficienty communicating/expressing ideas

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: I like your definition, Ana

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: don't we then need to define accuracy? and intelligibility?

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Moderator (Session Leader 2):  

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helena53 [Elena]: agree

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]:  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: more of a spectrum....  

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helena53 [Elena]: sorry, i can't change this awful "me" into "Elena"

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Moderator (Session Leader): Elena, we can see your name

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: the fact that it was defined by the US department of Education

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helena53 [Elena]: oh...good

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: so that it means their "degree of control" and their standards have as a subtext.... I am assuming -- American GE

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I was serious!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]:  

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Moderator (Session Leader): control- i like maneuverability better

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: also the domains... I am assuming they mean domains of NS?

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): does social circumstances necessarily mean "culture norms"?  I guess yes, right?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: but what about intercultural ability?

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Moderator (Session Leader): yes, ana, but I think more on pubic situations

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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Moderator (Session Leader): multitask Ahmar

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]:  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: interest!!!!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): how do I delete it?  sorry....

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Did they ask the key questions before they chose the test?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: her goals, her needs, the context of the class?

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): probably not

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): she was given a placement test

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): on arriva

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): so that she could be placed in a class

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Karen.Rauser [Karen] to Enric [Enric]: Btw - hello, Enric!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: What was the original purpose of the test?

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helena53 [Elena]: well, this is maybe a standard procedure...?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: which test?

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): let's say a home-grown placement test

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Enric [Enric] to Karen.Rauser [Karen]: hi, i'm kind of sleepy but here..

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: was there another way to evaluate her?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: what elements did the test contain?

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: In my school I think the counselors use an oral test, as well.

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: probably the wrong kinds of things tested for the contexgt

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: of teaching

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helena53 [Elena]: "perform" ? does it mean "orally" ?

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Maybe her reading "proficiency" is better than her oral , as Aiden just said.

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Enric [Enric]: tests are measuring proficiency ina very specific way, not including actual communicative ability

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helena53 [Elena]: there are students who can read and understand well, but cannot speak well..

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Moderator (Session Leader): agree

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: depends on the purpose of the class

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Moderator (Session Leader): but they perform well in written exams

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes, they perfomr wel  in toefl test

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: and disparity in skills

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helena53 [Elena]: this happened with me when i first visited England

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: he is missing intercultural ability

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): england!

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): do they still speak english there  

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes, but isn't it strange that he can't understand the newspaper?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: happens to NS all the time who have no experience with different varieties of English

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helena53 [Elena]: being a teacher of english and not able to understand the people in the streets of London...!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: EIL, ELF,

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Moderator (Session Leader): yes, but Elena's point is good

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helena53 [Elena]: is it a matter of accent only ?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: not just

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: people who want to communicate with each other -- accommodate

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helena53 [Elena]: true

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Enric [Enric]: but people with 'social power' have a harder time accommodating to 'lower status' people...

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Moderator (Session Leader):  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: depends on their end motivation...

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helena53 [Elena]: culture differences

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: So is a "translinguisic speaker" one who would be able to adjust to Nigerian English quickly?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: depends on their background, terry

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: I see.

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: a translinguistic teacher would have experience moving from their L1 to English -- not always to other languages though.

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: PG student, again?

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Oh, I see.  Thanks, Karen.

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): post-graduate

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Enric [Enric]: Same as with the Sidney guy in Nigeria but with altered social relationships

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: oh.

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): i agree

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helena53 [Elena]: agree

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helena53 [Elena]: yes, content

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: tuning the ear to a different accent -- getting used to a different way of presenting/teaching

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Moderator (Session Leader): agree with Enric

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Moderator (Session Leader): Vikas has to adapt

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: because the subject matter is similar -- he will soon adapt, is that right Enric?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: but the lecturers will not

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Moderator (Session Leader): exactly

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Enric [Enric]: exactly!

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Moderator (Session Leader): great minds think alike

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Moderator (Session Leader):  

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helena53 [Elena]: due to some kind of stress, i think

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: maybe shows that the TOEFL isn't that useful...?

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Moderator (Session Leader): interview- stress, anxiety

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: and that high English proficiency is not necessary when teaching in an EFL context -- because the L1 is a useful medium for teaching

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: just a question

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Moderator (Session Leader): he perhaps did not understand the question but failed to express his feelings?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: in his environment -- he does not have a need for experience in English across wide domains... only that which is focused on in his lessons

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Moderator (Session Leader): ah- Karen- that's what Seidlhofer suggests

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: good ol Barbara

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Moderator (Session Leader): it's the ELF knowledge that matters for these teachers

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Medgyes would have a fit

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): would it be ELF or the knowledge of local english?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: the context of both the culture and the L1 and the local variety of English

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Good questin

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Moderator (Session Leader): local Pakistani

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Moderator (Session Leader): ok

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helena53 [Elena]: when interviewed some people feel embarrassed

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): i take it that his professional training was in English, right?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: when interviewed by someone who shares his own L1 -- he may tend to prefer that L1 anyway

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Moderator (Session Leader): yes, Karen but if they're assessing his knowledge of L2, then using L1 won't serve this purpose, right?

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Moderator (Session Leader): domain

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Moderator (Session Leader): context

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: unless it was not clear that the interview was being used to evaluate his English -- maybe it was to evaluate his teaching

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Moderator (Session Leader 2):  

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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helena53 [Elena]: yes, if you are familiar with it, you are more confident

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Moderator (Session Leader): right, but outside that domain he didn't perform well

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Moderator (Session Leader):  

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helena53 [Elena]: i think it's also due to the psychology of the human nature

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Enric [Enric]: sorry i gotta go. it was nice being here. thanks for the excellent session, ahmar.

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): bye, enric!

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Moderator (Session Leader): bye Enric

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Karen.Rauser [Karen] to : bye enric!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]:  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: lol

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helena53 [Elena]: i've always lacked enough confidence about discourse because as a nnest i've always been afraid of making grammar mistakes

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): me too

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helena53 [Elena]: ...when i speak...

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: scaffolding?

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Moderator (Session Leader): front feeding?

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Moderator (Session Leader):  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: sounds like dynamic assessment

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: At the discourse level, I guess I' shy because I won't be able to use the right vocabulary.. the rigth jargon for the situation

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Moderator (Session Leader): scaffolding

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: zone of proximal development

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]:  

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): SLATE Project

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): scaffolding literacy in academic and tertiary environments

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Moderator (Session Leader): students perform well in delivering contents due to solid scaffolding - but they still do make grammatical mistakes

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Moderator (Session Leader): except of course, scaffolding made focused on grammatical points thay they need to use

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Moderator (Session Leader):  

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Moderator (Session Leader): we did

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helena53 [Elena]: yes

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yep

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helena53 [Elena]: twice

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Moderator (Session Leader): others watched it several times

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): finally!  I wanted to know Ahmar's opinion...  

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Moderator (Session Leader 2):  

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helena53 [Elena]: i just couldn't believe what i saw

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: i hope none of my students ever do that to me...

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): how did you find this video, Ahmar?

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Moderator (Session Leader 1) to Session Leader, Session Leader 1, Session Leader 2: how much time do i have?

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helena53 [Elena]: felt pity for her

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: lol!

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): I am fine with time. I am eating dinner..

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helena53 [Elena]: the students were having fun with her

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: wow... dangerous

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): yup

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helena53 [Elena]: was it a deliberately made video?

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): no

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helena53 [Elena]: ok

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): this was an authentic recording

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helena53 [Elena]: so it was a hidden camera ?

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): there are a few other very distrubing ones posted by the same guy

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): yes, the student had a concealed camera in his bag

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helena53 [Elena]: ok

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: As to her competency, it's one thing to say you don't know... another thing to make stuff up

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Moderator (Session Leader): exactly

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Moderator (Session Leader): she should have walked around-

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helena53 [Elena]: is this a TYPICAL situation in Pakistan

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Moderator (Session Leader): they knew she was going to mess it up

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helena53 [Elena]: ?

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Yes, I think so

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helena53 [Elena]: typical example?

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): i couldn't understand her...

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helena53 [Elena]: ok

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helena53 [Elena]: me too

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Moderator (Session Leader): i think we've got teachers like that in Taiwan

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I couldn't understand her sometimes

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): sound/words/a bit of everything. also, there was not much body language

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Moderator (Session Leader): i think it's both proficiency and knowl;edge of the subject

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Moderator (Session Leader): exactly

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: that was weird

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helena53 [Elena]: she is not happy with her job

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: #4 - exactly

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helena53 [Elena]: a good teacher should possess the quality of being a good socialiser

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Elena -- totally!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: personality is key

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: relationship is key

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helena53 [Elena]: yes, very important!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Ahmar, another colleague and I have as a goal to create mini-ethnographers in our EAL classes

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: more important in our teacher training courses

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helena53 [Elena]: i love working with people an i enjoy teaching

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helena53 [Elena]: it makes me happy indeed

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Moderator (Session Leader): TRC

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: lol

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): you do see a bias toward SFL at the bottom there  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yeah Halliday!

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helena53 [Elena]: functional = situational ?

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Moderator (Session Leader 1):  

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helena53 [Elena]: ok

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Functional grammar = top down -- meaning first

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: from the big picture meaning to how that is realized in the actual words (and even sounds) we choose....

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helena53 [Elena]: connected with real life

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Functional Grammar I think goes back to Ahmar's slide on "grammatical competenmce". Right?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Aiden and Ana had some good suggestions re: World Englishes in the class...

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Elena -- right!

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: intercultural and cross cultural...

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Moderator (Session Leader 2):  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: that was good!

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helena53 [Elena]: i've been experinecing this - i taught in Bulgaria, now i've been teaching in Germany

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helena53 [Elena]: experiencing...

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Freire.... pedagogy of empowerment

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: oooohhhhh..... good stuff

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Moderator (Session Leader): strategies in improving language proficiency?

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): and teacher education

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): what do you  mean by culture chats - can you please elaborate?

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: EVOs like this one in which we exhange

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helena53 [Elena]: 1. to live and work in a multicultural environment; optimism; enjoying teaching.

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): yup, this is really good

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): ok

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: in which we can exchange ideas with scholars in a "friendly" forum

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): i do like the multimodality of this format

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helena53 [Elena]: ...and curious to know more about different cultures

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): notice how we are creating meaning by using multiple modalities at the same time and how these modalities 'couple' to create meaning...

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: oooohh... good one, Ahmar

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Moderator (Session Leader 1):  

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helena53 [Elena]: free sessions...that would be great !

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helena53 [Elena]: yes

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helena53 [Elena]: yes

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Good idea. I'm interested

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): me too

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helena53 [Elena]: i've been studying ALL MY LIFE ...

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I would LOVE to join!!!!!!

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helena53 [Elena]: education is expensive

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Moderator (Session Leader): great

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Moderator (Session Leader): you're all in!

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Great idea!

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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Moderator (Session Leader): my housecleaner is here

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Moderator (Session Leader):  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]:  

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Moderator (Session Leader): she's asking me to leave  

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helena53 [Elena]: I learnt a lot of new thing I was unfamiliar wth - i mean special terms

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): release mic, please

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helena53 [Elena]: things

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): the mic is free, no?

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): terry, get the mic  

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Grammatical competence which includes bith intercultutral and crosscultural

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helena53 [Elena]: ...and joining a future  on-line course  ?

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Moderator (Session Leader 1):  

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Yes, that was a gerat idea

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helena53 [Elena]: teachers should always aim at proficiency

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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helena53 [Elena]: knowledge is like an ocean

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helena53 [Elena]: the deeper you go, the less you know

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): perhaps, in a few months, i can ask one of my colleagues to give a more detailed presentation on genre theory and explore ways in which it can help TESOLers

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Moderator (Session Leader): the more you know?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: what about a further look at the level of proficiency required for specific positions?

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helena53 [Elena]: yes

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Moderator (Session Leader): right-

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): that's such a hard question

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): ahmar, about language training. I'll be a lifelong learner, but at this stage of my life, concerned with idiosyncracies, accent and fossilization, I think I;d rather have a "personal" trainer... What do you think?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: so that hiring bodies can make better ads

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Moderator (Session Leader): should help you on your thesis, Karen

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Yes, that's imoprtant

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Moderator (Session Leader 1):  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: I'm fishing here....  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: lol!!!!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: dialect coaches....

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: YEAH!!!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Eh

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): in the slate project, we call our tutors Language Coaches

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Moderator (Session Leader): right

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: wrong????

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: maybe someone following you around and telling other people how to understand your variety...

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: who is cute

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Moderator (Session Leader 2):  

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Moderator (Session Leader): selinker-

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: by who?/?

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yep send it

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helena53 [Elena]: yes

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): Bhatt, R. M. (2002). Experts, dialects, and discourse. 

International Journal of Applied Linguistics, 12(1), 74-

109.

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helena53 [Elena]: "dynamic" development and improvement

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Moderator (Session Leader 2):  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: just a thought!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): terry?

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Moderator (Session Leader): i've been losing my internet connection

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helena53 [Elena]: i can see you miving

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Moderator (Session Leader): what's the question?

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helena53 [Elena]: moving

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helena53 [Elena]: no interruption

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Moderator (Session Leader): my m-i-l was using the phone, and I lsot my internet connection

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Moderator (Session Leader): sorry, but where are we now?

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: I think I did too

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Moderator (Session Leader): ok

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Moderator (Session Leader): me too

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Moderator (Session Leader 2):  

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helena53 [Elena]: me too

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: big question -- once we have educated our students about world Englishes and EIL.... they have a new understanding of what is acceptable... and intelligible.... and yet some of them will still have the goal that they would like to "be able" to be understood in a number of these different varieties... can we teach that?

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helena53 [Elena]: this was my 1st participation in a live session

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yeah... Elena!

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Moderator (Session Leader 1):  

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helena53 [Elena]: thank you very much for your lecture

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yeah, Terry!

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): karen, good question... what do you think?

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Moderator (Session Leader): speak louder Terry

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes, louder please

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Moderator (Session Leader): yes

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): no

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): better now

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): can you please repeat your question  

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Moderator (Session Leader): Yes, Terry, you have the mic

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): yes

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Moderator (Session Leader): yes

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: Terry commented that he is feeling his language proficiency is low in this context because it is unfamiliar to him

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Moderator (Session Leader): ana

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Yes, I mean that AND the content of this lecture, too,. which is all new but very interssting to me.

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes?

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Moderator (Session Leader): I might lost my internet conenction again

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Moderator (Session Leader): If I do, pls wrap the session for me

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): okay, do you want me to close?  can you get the recording?

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Moderator (Session Leader): I hope that I won't lose my connection

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): I don't know how to save the recording

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Moderator (Session Leader): it's being recorded

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Thnak you very much!!!!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): midnight!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: THANK YOU!!!!!!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): mic pelase

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helena53 [Elena]: THANK YOU !

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): THANK YOU!

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Thank you, and see you at TESOL!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: lol!

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Moderator (Session Leader): i just hope that the recording is intact-

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helena53 [Elena]: lol

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: Thank you, Ana, and Aiden, too.

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helena53 [Elena]: thank you

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Terrymichael [undisclosed]: OK, goodnight all!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): thanks!!

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helena53 [Elena]: thank you all

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): thanks... off for my beer now  

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Karen.Rauser [Karen]: just press the pause button at the bottom, Ana

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Moderator (Session Leader 1): cheers

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Moderator (Session Leader): helena wait

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): allright

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Moderator (Session Leader): elena wait

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helena53 [Elena]: ok

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Moderator (Session Leader): lol

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Karen.Rauser [Karen] to Session Leader 1, Session Leader 2, Session Leader: Ahmar -- I will email you re: research...  

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Moderator (Session Leader 1) to Karen.Rauser [Karen]: yup, please do

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helena53 [Elena]: yes

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Karen.Rauser [Karen] to Session Leader 1, Session Leader 2, Session Leader: thanks!!!

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Karen.Rauser [Karen] to Session Leader 1, Session Leader 2, Session Leader: great session, thank you so much!

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Moderator (Session Leader 2): yes

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helena53 [Elena]: one moment

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helena53 [Elena]: yes

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helena53 [Elena]: to click

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helena53 [Elena]: ?

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Moderator (Session Leader 1) to Karen.Rauser [Karen]: i'm going off line now

 

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